Are we above nature? How can we combat extremism? How do extreme ideologies often become their opposite?
In a lively discussion between Slavoj Žižek and Yuval Noah Harari, the two thinkers debate extremist ideology, our role in nature, the notions of good and evil, and catastrophes of the past. The conversation is moderated by Günes Taylor, and was filmed on June 2, 2022 as part of the HowTheLightGetsIn Festival.

00:00:00 Intro
00:02:15 Humans or Nature: Who Should We Put Our Trust In?
00:03:10 You Can Never Violate the Laws of Nature
00:05:23 We Associate Nature with a Pattern that Humans Interrupt
00:10:26 At Least in Some Catastrophe We Can Find Meaning
00:12:08 The Worn-Out Nature Debate Against Homosexuality
00:14:03 ‘Good’ is Often a Misconstrued Concept
00:14:04 Even Buddhism Can be Used to Justify Death
00:18:53 Should We Think of Earth as a Resource?
0020:40 If Something is Good an Extreme Version Must be Better
00:24:53 The Loophole in Deep Ecologist Thinking
00:28:29 Hegel: How Extreme Intentions Contradict Themselves
00:29:40 Is the Idea of Moderation Built into Nature & the Ecosystem?
00:30:40 Equilibrium in Nature
00:33:00 Stalin: The Social Engineer
00:34:14 How Many Scientists Aren’t Seeing the Full Picture
00:42:25 What is Freedom?
00:42:29 How Far Can We Upgrade Until We Downgrade?
00:45:42 A Stalinist Joke About Money

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Yuval Noah Harari is a historian, philosopher, and the bestselling author of ’Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind’ (2014), ’Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow’ (2016), ’21 Lessons for the 21st Century’ (2018), and the series ’Sapiens: A Graphic History’ (launched in 2020, co-authored with David Vandermeulen and Daniel Casanave).


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