Sounds of SAND is a podcast from Science and Nonduality which contemplates and reveres the beauty, complexity, pain, and great mystery that weave the infinite cycles of existence.

We explore beyond ultimate truths, binary thinking, and individual awakening while acknowledging humanity as a mere part of the intricate web of life.

Episodes tap into SAND’s rich history and collaborative future by presenting talks, dialogs, interviews, readings, music, and recordings from SAND Conferences, events, and webinars weaving timeless wisdom and embodied experience.

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Mauro Zappaterra obtained his MD and PhD degrees from Harvard Medical School. He completed his PhD doing work with neuronal stem cells and the effects of the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) in brain development and in the adult. He is published in numerous scientific articles on the CSF and his work was chosen as the cover image for the prestigious Neuron Journal. He was also featured in the New England Journal of Medicine in teaching medical students about living with life threatening diseases and in Psychology Today on an article titled “Joy: The art of loving life.”

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The Wisdom of Pain: an online course live with Mauro Zappaterra.

Explore the definition of pain, and the difference between pain and nociception.

Apply this understanding to developing strategies to better cope with chronic pain.

Examine the difference between acute pain and chronic pain, the importance of acute pain for survival, and the phenomenon of chronic pain.
Discuss phantom limb pain and complex regional pain syndrome.

Survey the evolution of treatment strategies that help people live more fully with these types of pain.

Mauro Zappaterra’s website:


0:00 – Introduction
4:36 – Meeting Mauro
9:14 – Connection to the Source
15:46 – Third Ventricle
18:18 – Where does this fluid come from?
22:22 – Our Ancestral CSF in the Sea
25:58 – Cleaning the Brain
32:06 – Water and Veda Austin
33:24 – De. Deep and NADI
38:38 – Movement and Light
43:34 – Breathwork and DMT
51:51 – YogaNanda
53:14 – CSF and Energy

Science and Nonduality is a community inspired by timeless wisdom, informed by cutting-edge science, and grounded in direct experience. We come together in an open-hearted exploration while celebrating our humanity.


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